The Arrogance Of Do-goodery

By Dave

I have asked, repeatedly in fact, that those who believe in various forms of collectivism – from weak to strong – provide me the moral rationale for forcefully taking property from one person and giving it to another. Very rarely have I gotten a sophisticated answer.

I will admit that the question is loaded inasmuch as morality is an abstraction for all but staunch moral absolutists which, I suppose, most modern people are, at least selectively, as to some moral standard like, say, slavery being immoral. The question doesn’t arise primarily from what is moral individually but what are our social, collective morals. And since government is the tying institution of collective morality nowadays (it used to be the church), we wrestle with things that we would never do individually but sanction them in the collective – such as killing, taking property or interfering with consensual contracts. It seems it’s the separation from personal responsibility that allows us to condone actions we do not feel morally justified in doing personally – the state is our henchman. We will not do the hanging ourselves.

In many respects it constitutes the rule of law that we need to provide for an orderly society. In matters of encroachments of personal rights perpetrated by individuals it’s necessarily the fabric of the “social contract.” But at some point the majority will sanction actions by the, removed and third party, government that entirely violate the rights of the minority. With majority support those actions are understood as morally absolute. Then society holds government as religion with a blind acquiescence to colloquial dogma. And we do it with feel good language like “the greater good” – whatever that means.

I challenged Mark Tokarski to use as a criterion to justify various social programs:

… explain to me whether the outcomes of those programs have been:

A) Moral
B) Effective
C) Efficient

On morality he answered:

Morality is a human construct, not given us from without. It is how we decide (what) is good for us, what is not. Some say it’s evolutionary – maybe so. But the greater good is the whole point of moral systems. So some things seem right to individuals – to accumulate without purpose, to refuse to take care of the commons, to refuse to pay a share over for the common welfare. For the greater good we say these people are selfish and short-sighted, and we set our rules in spite of them. (Yes, I’m talking about you.)

This “definition” of morality may have some merit but it cannot be taken as a moral absolute and avoids any discussion of context or moral realism. For example, this was the argument that Truman made in using atomic weapons on Japan. That implies that actions are moral based on a preconceived projection of net positive outcomes. It’s classically embedded in Hume’s “is/ought” problem. An action is considered as “is” good rather than “ought” to be good and consequences are avoided. The problem is that the antecedent supposition is often wrong and it’s arrogant to assume otherwise.

Additionally, Mark’s proposition that accumulation of wealth comes without purpose. But the accumulation of wealth has a great purpose in providing capital which is employed in all economic activity. Even socialism recognizes this but asserts that such accumulation is best held by an egalitarian state. He also makes a bad assumption that those who accumulate wealth “refuse” to pay for the common welfare. This is prattle. Capitalists understand that ensuring some baseline of, as Mill would say, social happiness serves rational self interest. But the economics of doing so not only suffer from diminishing returns but, at some point, turn negative on society as a whole. Additionally, stating that capitalist “refuse” to pay for the common good is an outright canard. The only people that usually take this position are anarcho-capitalists and, as far as I can tell, none of them are captains of industry.

He says:

I leave it to you to explain to me how private greed is really a moral good. I leave it to you to explain to me how personal freedom, in a society where we each depend on the labor of others to survive, can exist without limits.

I think I’ve addressed the issue of why private accumulation of capital is a social moral good. I will not, however, associate greed with capitalism. Lots of people are greedy. Down and out drug addicts are greedy. People who game the entitlement system are greedy. Anyone can suffer from greed. Greed is one of the Seven Sins and I don’t assume it’s a moral good. At the same time I don’t know where anyone has proposed that personal freedom doesn’t have limits. I’d like to know who has said that other than Mark and those who misunderstand tenets of classical liberalism. We’re not free to steal, murder, break contracts, interfere with other’s property, etc.

We argue about the limits on private freedom, that’s all. Some of us have taken a gander at the kind of world that exists without government intervention, and decided for ourselves that we are better off with it. You’ve constructed your entire philosophical existence on the premise that government is a force for ill, yet you’ve never show how our society is worse off for government having stepped in to recitify the shortcomings of society when private greed is the ruling force. You don’t even acknowledge that we ever had a problem – seniors were always wealthy and healthy, kids always had insurance, educational opportunities were always available to everyone. I really think you believe things like that.

First, I can’t for the life of me understand where he gets this stuff. I have never said that government is a force for ill. What I’ve said is that government is a vehicle for ill. And I can use Mark’s own complaints in showing how society is worse off from government intervention. Let’s just take the tax code for starters.

Why is it fair, assuming codified unfairness is immoral, that the tax code arbitrarily rewards people who work for employers who subsidize health insurance? Why is it fair that homeowners get to write off their mortgage interest while renters don’t. Why is fair that wealthy people can get tax credits for locking up land for their personal use with conservation easements? Why is it fair that parents of young children get a refundable tax credit (which can be used to offset payroll taxes) when others don’t. Why is fair that the central bank can manipulate interest rates on the backs retirees who use CDs for income? And I’m sure if I think about it for a while I can come up with a few hundred more example.

And if one, such as Mark, asserts that greed is a motivating force then he has to look no further than government’s role in enabling the rent seeking of, say, big energy, big pharma, military suppliers and all that is lobbied for interests he contends are motivated by greed. Why is it that there is a 50 cent import duty on ethanol when we desire to separate our dependence on middle-east oil? The government’s largess is the biggest playground for mischief in the economy and it boggles the mind one who complains about the malfeasance of business doesn’t acknowledge that it’s government that’s the real complicit enabler.

As for Mark’s accusing me that I have some notion that society ever lacked suffering, well, that’s so unserious it doesn’t deserve a response.

Next:

I define a system that seeks equitable distribution of necessary resources for all – necessary resources. I don’t care about TV’s and Twinkies – only health care, education, transportation, basic foodstuffs and utilities. I seek to use government to manage these necessities and see that all have access. A system that only rewards private greed usually leads to a few select getting to best and the majority being ill served. This yields societies as we see in Latin America with enormous poverty and opulent wealth, side by side, no middle.

First, I’m not sure about his definitions of either “equitable” or “necessary.” In the roughly 14% of the population that lives in the lower class most have 2 TV’s, 2 cars, a VCR and Twinkies are eligible foods stuff that can purchased with food stamps. And the irony can hardly go unnoticed that it’s the poor who suffer the most from obesity and disease from poor nutrition (not too little but the wrong type of food) who are the primary beneficiaries of the attempt at an equitable distribution of resources. Government schools are failing the poor and the semi-socialized medical system most harms the less educated working poor with price controls that shift the burden of payment to another cohort. Yet, he uses as an example of capitalism creating economic oligarchy counties where government corruption protects the upper class while he avoids the fact that huge middle classes are being born from places with significant economic freedoms like Taiwan and Singapore. He makes the assumption that it’s capitalism that causes the disparity in wealth while completely avoiding the issue of corruption.

I’ve seen your system at work, and I see that it fails. Constantly. I also see that whenever it fails, you blame too much government. You can’t see that a society without government is dog-eat-dog, that the natural result of such a system is a few with an overwhelming claim on resources, and the majority with not enough. That’s natural, maybe you think it is good and moral becuase it comes about naturally, but I think it is immoral.

And for what it is worth, you can hide away if you want, but we are all in it together, we do owe a debt to one another. I would not have what I have without public support in the form of laws and roads, libraries and public services, and schools – I owe a debt. Call it platitudinous, but it’s a simple fact. Societies that recognize that fact, and tax and set policy accordingly, are healthier and happier than us.

Again, Mark has a fatal flaw in understanding. I have never, not once in my life, advocated that we don’t have government. But he’s right, as I’ve outlined above, that too much government is exactly the source of a great deal of inequity. As for owing a debt, I can’t speak for who owes whom for what but it is in our best interest to be compassionate and charitable. Mark, like so many on the left, assume that the only fair arbiter of charity is the government. How foolish. Organizations like the Salvation Army and the Red Cross distribute goods and services for about 5% of total resources where the government is significantly less efficient. The centralized decision making in the distribution of scares resources has never in the history of man shown to be either more “fair” or more efficient that million of consumers making choices to which business quickly adapts.

So I will concede, in a limited way that, it is a moral choice to seek an outcome where society strives to provided the greatest good. He makes no coherent argument that the government is the best at doing so and builds a straw man who acts only motivated by greed. And still, he doesn’t make the moral argument for forcibly taking money from one person and giving it to another. But if he’s really interested in it it there are places from which he might start (with whom I have multiple disagreements) – as opposed to his genuinely good heart.

And for the record, I’m not a heartless bastard  who doesn’t think we should help the needy.  I just question the fairness, efficiency, effectiveness, and wisdom of it being done so by a government that has such a poor history of doing so.  No one has ever said that free-markets are fair.  What we have said is they are more fair than anything else that has been tried.  But Mark seems to think that a few smart people in government can do the job better than a million people working for their own rational self-interest.  That’s elitism and arrogance.  The striking thing is that the paradigm he proposes has been tried over and over again with such spotty results.  One would hope that such “progressives” would look outside of the conventional wisdom for solutions.  Unfortunately they don’t.


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12 Responses to “The Arrogance Of Do-goodery”

  1. I think I’ve addressed the issue of why private accumulation of capital is a social moral good.

    All of my flippancy to the side, I really don’t see that you have, Dave, save for admitting (accepting) incentive natures as a given within a single polity. That doesn’t bear out, either empirically or logically, in a diverse (and increasingly complex) network of societies under one banner. It is easy to claim that the Constitution imposes such a polity to the moral absolutists, but it also founds such an illusion of polity for those who make prima facie assumptions about the nature and motivations of the individuals in that grouping. This is my problem with most libertarian thought; it relies on handy assumptions concerning the will and motivations of those who act within the grouping. That’s circular. It assumes that the grouping proves the motivations that supposedly lead to the grouping that assumes and codifies those motivations … which are still only assumed. If you remove those assumptions, then the moral foundation of American polity disappears … unless it can be founded on some other ideal.

    I wasn’t promoting nihilism, Dave. I just see one whole big bunch of assumptions tied to the embrace of the concepts of positive and negative liberties, the largest one being that there can be a moral absolute as regards governance. And, though I don’t mean this to be very insulting, I do find it rather tawdry that libertarians often request or require their opponents to espouse such a moral underpinning, when their own is so very open to question.

    For the record, I don’t intend to spend a whole bunch time discussing this. For one, I don’t have the time and that which I do have, I’d rather spend doing something more enjoyable. And second, I really don’t see the need to discuss this. What illusions of polity we may have are so often based on (ir)rational choices of the individual, that the weight of political philosophy is slightly less than a feather. At the risk of exposing some of my own proclivities, I have no use for moral certainty in the vast majority of issues of government. Roads I have a use for; parking in front of my house I have a use for (the same space that subsidizes the very capitalists you often promote as rising above the mundanity of ill-conceived moralities.) I simply wished to clarify that Mark has some valid points, and seems to agree with you about the application of assumptions concerning self-interest. Making something bigger out of it is likely a waste of time.

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  2. Dave

    Thanks for reminding me of your existentialist zeitgeist.

    But Mark’s informing my that I’m an anarcho-capitalist that denies there is suffering in the world and would cast everyone to the street is hardly is the basis for agreement.

    Regardless of whatever use or interest you have in the question of morality – the question exists. Unless, of course, you are a nihilist.

    #200867
  3. There is an interesting dichotomy in thought between Mark and Libertarians. Libertarians, I believe, would say that people are basically good, and the individual should act morally without the coercion of law.
    Mark appears to see a world where people are essentially evil (greedy), and it is only the government that can make them good. And if it has to be done through coercion, well that seems to be just fine.
    But people make up the government. And if people are inherently evil (greedy) how does the government prevent them from acting evilly while doing the government’s business?

    Have to think about it for awhile.

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  4. I really wasn’t going to comment again, but this is just too amusing to ignore. I agree that Mark’s assumptions may have put you in a difficult and unreal state of defense. But I really have to ask … how in the frack can “zeitgeist” be as personal as you pretend it is for me?

    LOL

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  5. Dave

    Because sometime I think I know what a word means – mistakenly. I won’t make that mistake again.

    Let me rephrase:

    “Thank you for reminding me of your existentialist “est”.

    But on second thought, you might consider yourself the embodiment of the current zeitgeist. I’m thinking so.

    I’m glad you laughed.

    #200895
  6. “Mark seems to think that a few smart people in government can do the job better …”

    As a whole, your piece is very good, very well written, but so much of it appears to me to draw on a false dichotomy, as illustrated by the above cut. Either private greed or government, either capitalist or socialist.

    I’m going to cut and paste this piece into Word and work on it over the weekend when I get time and put up a response here or over at Piece of Mind. It’s a good discussion to have, and it will force me to confront the issues directly.

    It will be a worthwhile project.

    MT

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  7. Dave

    Mark, I’m glad you feel that way. It is indeed a good discussion to have and I can already see your point about false dichotomies. Generalities are dicey things to assert in debate. I’m hopeful you’ll keep that in mind as well.

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  8. Aaron Goldberg

    Stay tuned, folks. The babblefest will continue. Meanwhile, be sure to have your dictionaries handy and a good supply of weed…

    #200911
  9. Dave

    Aaron, Anonymous In Bozeman, or whoever you are, is there a reason that you come here? And why are you too chickenshit to identify yourself? Is it so you can protect yourself as a drive-by troll?

    #200913
  10. Checker 5

    Dave:
    Don’t be so weird. Looking at IP addresses is a meaningless exercise that only paranoid freaks enjoy. You’ll end up like Wulfgar—permanently hallucinating.

    I read your blog almost every day and usually get a kick out of it. (I even read the “babblefests” !) But I have to tell you I also like it when somebody lets your air out. Usually you handle those comments pretty well, but too often you get uptight and start fuming and cusing, which indicates to me maybe you do take yourself too seriously.

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  11. Dave

    At least I don’t suffer from multiple personality disorder like, say, someone who would log into different ISP’s to protect their identity.

    Have some balls man, have some balls.

    #200920
  12. Checker 5

    I don’t think it’s a matter of multiple personalities or of gender. It’s a matter of adjusting one’s “style” to the blog in question. As for identity, that’s simply a matter of personal security.

    But I do understand your problem: The mindset in Montana is essentially provincial. Do I know you? Hey, I don’t care what your ideas are, I don’t talk to people I don’t know…

    #200922

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