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		<title>By: Dave Budge .com  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; More Clarification For Conrad</title>
		<link>http://davebudge.com/?p=645&#038;cpage=1#comment-17054</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Budge .com  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; More Clarification For Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] r Conrad 	 			 					Continuing with my response to Conrad&#8217;s office to better explain questions I have for the candidates, here are some futher thoughts on the next question. 	Regarding number 3: 	3) Wha [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wulfgar</title>
		<link>http://davebudge.com/?p=645&#038;cpage=1#comment-16938</link>
		<dc:creator>Wulfgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, Jerry.  I explained quite clearly where I see arrogance and your response is little more than sticking your tongue out at those meanie liberals.  Sad, at best.

Now I know it&#039;s kinda dark in your momma&#039;s basement, Jerry, but surely there must be enough light for you to see that calling for an exit strategy IS a plan for solving our involvement in Iraq ... or must coming up with a &quot;solution to Iraq&quot; be more important to Americans than America itself?  A rational administration might have had concrete goals and an exit strategy before we spent billions on this deadly lark, but I know, you cut Bush more slack ... with never an explanation as to why.

As to your proud claims of taking the Pres to task, no, Jerry, no you don&#039;t.  What you do is to drop your little turds in the comments of other&#039;s websites, with nary ever the courage to host one of your own.  You haven&#039;t held this administration accountable for anything.   And heres the real kicker Jerry:  when I disagree with David, I actually let him know it, in no uncertain terms.  Pat yourself on the back, loser, because all you can do is try and take advantage of that disagreement to score petty points.  Regardless of disagreement, I respect David.  If you did, you would actually have the nads to speak up when you disagree.  Sadly, you don&#039;t, and you never will.  You want buddies, and sympathy for your sad state ... not any kind of honesty.  But please, keep using the websites of others braver than you to attack me.  I rather enjoy the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, Jerry.  I explained quite clearly where I see arrogance and your response is little more than sticking your tongue out at those meanie liberals.  Sad, at best.</p>
<p>Now I know it&#8217;s kinda dark in your momma&#8217;s basement, Jerry, but surely there must be enough light for you to see that calling for an exit strategy IS a plan for solving our involvement in Iraq &#8230; or must coming up with a &#8220;solution to Iraq&#8221; be more important to Americans than America itself?  A rational administration might have had concrete goals and an exit strategy before we spent billions on this deadly lark, but I know, you cut Bush more slack &#8230; with never an explanation as to why.</p>
<p>As to your proud claims of taking the Pres to task, no, Jerry, no you don&#8217;t.  What you do is to drop your little turds in the comments of other&#8217;s websites, with nary ever the courage to host one of your own.  You haven&#8217;t held this administration accountable for anything.   And heres the real kicker Jerry:  when I disagree with David, I actually let him know it, in no uncertain terms.  Pat yourself on the back, loser, because all you can do is try and take advantage of that disagreement to score petty points.  Regardless of disagreement, I respect David.  If you did, you would actually have the nads to speak up when you disagree.  Sadly, you don&#8217;t, and you never will.  You want buddies, and sympathy for your sad state &#8230; not any kind of honesty.  But please, keep using the websites of others braver than you to attack me.  I rather enjoy the show.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://davebudge.com/?p=645&#038;cpage=1#comment-16927</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your arrogance is in dissenting with Wulfies world view...don&#039;t do that....he gets very testy.  I think that your questions are very pertinant to what is going on in the world today and would have to agree with your assessment of why politicians of any stripe tend to talk down to the poor dumb public.  I tend to be more forgiving of Pres. Bush than you but can still recognize his mistakes and take him to task for them.  As you point out...not one Democrat has offered a solution to Iraq, prefering to keep screaming at the top of their lungs that we have no &quot;exit stratagy&quot; even though as you note one has been offered repeatedly by the Pres.  
On a personal note...I find it hilarious that Wulfie or any of the other &quot;progressives&quot; would accuse you of arrogance when they themselves wallow in it so frequently. Although I tend to the right of you sir, I say keep up the good work, I really enjoy your writings even when disagreeing with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your arrogance is in dissenting with Wulfies world view&#8230;don&#8217;t do that&#8230;.he gets very testy.  I think that your questions are very pertinant to what is going on in the world today and would have to agree with your assessment of why politicians of any stripe tend to talk down to the poor dumb public.  I tend to be more forgiving of Pres. Bush than you but can still recognize his mistakes and take him to task for them.  As you point out&#8230;not one Democrat has offered a solution to Iraq, prefering to keep screaming at the top of their lungs that we have no &#8220;exit stratagy&#8221; even though as you note one has been offered repeatedly by the Pres.<br />
On a personal note&#8230;I find it hilarious that Wulfie or any of the other &#8220;progressives&#8221; would accuse you of arrogance when they themselves wallow in it so frequently. Although I tend to the right of you sir, I say keep up the good work, I really enjoy your writings even when disagreeing with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Budge .com  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Termites Listening</title>
		<link>http://davebudge.com/?p=645&#038;cpage=1#comment-16919</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Budge .com  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Termites Listening</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Punditry 			 		 	 		 			Termites Listening 	 			 					Well, I guess being arrogant or even VERY arrogant is my fatal flaw.  Though I&#8217;m not convinced it actually is arrogant of me to hope f [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wulfgar</title>
		<link>http://davebudge.com/?p=645&#038;cpage=1#comment-16897</link>
		<dc:creator>Wulfgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for the harsh tone, David, but I find it VERY arrogant to subjectively determine a given stance as &quot;prattle&quot;; and then to springboard to a list of policy questions the answers to which would make *YOU* happy, if of course, they are dealt with to the depth of understanding only you seem to know.  Regardless of whether it feels satisfactory to you, setting a timeline for troop withdrawel *is* a plan.  In itself it is calling for a deeper explanation from the very people who run this show of how they intend to accomplish goals, and setting accountable for that achievement.  Hardly &quot;prattle&quot; at all.

And alluding to the idea that Tester and those like minded in the Senate are simply speaking down to the rest of us with hollow talking points ... guess what, David, that really is calling it a political ploy.  I&#039;m not putting words in your mouth, simply interpreting the verbage so as to be immediately comprehensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for the harsh tone, David, but I find it VERY arrogant to subjectively determine a given stance as &#8220;prattle&#8221;; and then to springboard to a list of policy questions the answers to which would make *YOU* happy, if of course, they are dealt with to the depth of understanding only you seem to know.  Regardless of whether it feels satisfactory to you, setting a timeline for troop withdrawel *is* a plan.  In itself it is calling for a deeper explanation from the very people who run this show of how they intend to accomplish goals, and setting accountable for that achievement.  Hardly &#8220;prattle&#8221; at all.</p>
<p>And alluding to the idea that Tester and those like minded in the Senate are simply speaking down to the rest of us with hollow talking points &#8230; guess what, David, that really is calling it a political ploy.  I&#8217;m not putting words in your mouth, simply interpreting the verbage so as to be immediately comprehensible.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://davebudge.com/?p=645&#038;cpage=1#comment-16837</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re putting words in my mouth.  I didn&#039;t call it a political ploy, I called it prattle.  Take that for whatever you will I guess.  Let me tell you another thing, the only Democrat Senator that I have any serious respect for is Russ Feingold.  Although I find his argument about setting a timeline as difficult as the GOP stance of not setting one (I&#039;m deeply conflicted thus deeply agnostic on the issue) he explains in clear terms the difficulty of the debate.  He has an uncommon level of intellectual integrity.  That virtue is why I have called Paul Wellstone one of the most honest Senators in the last 40 years. I can dispute their positions, but I have to admire their intellect and character.

But Bush has delivered an &quot;exit strategy&quot; in one form or another (which I do not defend or reject.)  He has said that we will draw down troops when Iraq can stand on its own by training Iraqi troops to do the work.  He has only refused to set a date certain for withdrawal - a proposition that has significant intellectual argument supporting it.  But short of a policy that says we will be out by a specific date constitutes &quot;no plan&quot; in the political terms of his detractors.  I don&#039;t buy it.  

Not knowing much about Tester I was disappointed as I found the statement shallow noise (prattle).  Should we not expect our representatives to discuss the upsides and downsides of their positions.

Secondly , is it &quot;arrogant&quot; to want to know what our representatives are thinking on the issues that are important to us.  I find your insult of me to be without vision or cause.  Not only did I call for answers from Tester, I also called for them for Burns and Morrison.  

I think you read this post with one eye - your left eye at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re putting words in my mouth.  I didn&#8217;t call it a political ploy, I called it prattle.  Take that for whatever you will I guess.  Let me tell you another thing, the only Democrat Senator that I have any serious respect for is Russ Feingold.  Although I find his argument about setting a timeline as difficult as the GOP stance of not setting one (I&#8217;m deeply conflicted thus deeply agnostic on the issue) he explains in clear terms the difficulty of the debate.  He has an uncommon level of intellectual integrity.  That virtue is why I have called Paul Wellstone one of the most honest Senators in the last 40 years. I can dispute their positions, but I have to admire their intellect and character.</p>
<p>But Bush has delivered an &#8220;exit strategy&#8221; in one form or another (which I do not defend or reject.)  He has said that we will draw down troops when Iraq can stand on its own by training Iraqi troops to do the work.  He has only refused to set a date certain for withdrawal &#8211; a proposition that has significant intellectual argument supporting it.  But short of a policy that says we will be out by a specific date constitutes &#8220;no plan&#8221; in the political terms of his detractors.  I don&#8217;t buy it.  </p>
<p>Not knowing much about Tester I was disappointed as I found the statement shallow noise (prattle).  Should we not expect our representatives to discuss the upsides and downsides of their positions.</p>
<p>Secondly , is it &#8220;arrogant&#8221; to want to know what our representatives are thinking on the issues that are important to us.  I find your insult of me to be without vision or cause.  Not only did I call for answers from Tester, I also called for them for Burns and Morrison.  </p>
<p>I think you read this post with one eye &#8211; your left eye at that.</p>
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		<title>By: Wulfgar</title>
		<link>http://davebudge.com/?p=645&#038;cpage=1#comment-16836</link>
		<dc:creator>Wulfgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, you won&#039;t buy the call for an exit strategy or timeline as anything other than a political ploy, but you arrogantly ask for answers to questions that you have.  Hmmm.  I see a problem with that crap, Dave.  Do you?

No, Irony is far from dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, you won&#8217;t buy the call for an exit strategy or timeline as anything other than a political ploy, but you arrogantly ask for answers to questions that you have.  Hmmm.  I see a problem with that crap, Dave.  Do you?</p>
<p>No, Irony is far from dead.</p>
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